[time-nuts] indoor GPS test.
ronaldheld at gmail.com
Wed Jan 23 16:00:14 EST 2008
As with all of my hobbies, they are limited by money and time to
pursue them. IF I were certain I would get a good enough signal, to be
more accurate and stable than my current setup(OCXO disciplined by a
CDMA signal), then I would go for a GPSDO recommendation.
The GPS 18 from Garmin is ~130 list, since ti comes with some software
for a laptop. How much would the GPDSO unit be, plus a display of the
time or inputs into a laptop with time and other related information?
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:17:33 -0800
From: Hal Murray <hmurray at megapathdsl.net>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] indoor GPS test.
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
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> I have had no success getting anyone to loan me their GPS units. Does
> anyone have suggestions as to what inexpensive unit to purchase, which
> will give a good indication of whether a GPSDO unit will receive and
> process the signals?
Which end of the "nut" scale are you on? If you have to do the test, you
might as well get the gear you will eventually use.
There are two types of GPS receivers. One primarily tells you where you are
and how fast you are moving. It also tells you the time. The other is
primarily for getting the time. You tell it where it is (or ask it to figure
it out, aka survey) and it uses that to do a better job of telling the time.
There is a huge market for commercial GPS position receivers. They usually
come with mapping software which jacks up the price. Most of them don't have
PPS outputs. Many of them use USB.
GPS chip sets have been getting better over the years.
The Garmin GPS-18-LVC is popular with people running ntpd. You can get them
for under $100. It takes some soldering. They need 5V. You can get that
from USB. Note the LVC. The other GPS 18 models don't have the PPS signal.
For ntpd, the PPS signal is usually wired up to a modem control signal and
the kernel records the time when an interrupt happens. (There are a couple
of good web pages on how to wire them up. I'll fish them out if you have any
troubles finding them.)
I have one. It just barely mostly works inside my house if I'm careful about
where I place it. (which makes it good at tickling error cases) I have
trees and neighbors but no serious RF shielding so my antenna position is
probably "medium" on the wide scale of possibilities - better than many
apartments but worse than most outside installations.
The GPS 18 has been on the market for several years so its chip-set is not as
sensitive as some newer ones.
I just wired up a MR 350P from Global Sat.
It uses the SiRF III chipset which is much more sensitive than the GPS 18
LVC. Unfortunately, the PPS output is only 1 microsecond wide which probably
isn't enough to get into a PC. (But I haven't tried that yet.) This also
requires some soldering. I cut off the connector. (Their RS-232 adapter
cable drops the PPS signal.)
So, depending on what you want to do, I'd suggest either the GPS-18-LVC or
the MR 350P.
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