[time-nuts] Remotely read power meters
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Anyone that can read the power use of a house can figure out if the occupants are on vacation. I asked PGE to set up my meter so it could never be read over the internet. They refused.
From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quik.com>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:45:11
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Remotely read power meters
I don't question your economic data, but IMO there is a huge potential for
governmental abuse... a kind of "dual use" technology.
For example, the government started to give out highway funds, then
leveraged those funds into forcing national speed limits, seat belt laws,
lowered drinking ages, "True Identity", and other things.
When the government is the sole payer for health care, will they start to
tax Big Macs and fries? Some places are already legislating that kids
meals have to have apples and carrot sticks.
Smart meter technology has, IMO, become another potential instrument of
overreaching governmental control. The Nanny State is a metastatic cancer.
> Leaving all the conspiracy assumptions aside, there is a very practical
> cost savings to the user.
> Let me explain by this example. We lived in Custer county CO for several
> years. There are about 3,500 people spread out in the area. Our average
> electric bill was around $150 a month and we had remotely read meters.
> IIRC they were the spinning dial type FWIW.
> If the Co-Op had to hire two meter readers the math (ROUGHLY) goes a bit
> like this. Assume a very modest wage of $10 per hour. Adding the burden
> factor brings the employee cost to $25 per hour. Then because of the
> rural gravel roads and snow, two quality 4 WHD vehicles are needed. This
> would be at least a $80,000 up-front expense. One has to add to that
> fuel, maintenance, insurance, and depreciation. In this rugged area that
> would run a dollar per mile.
> Knowing the area, a meter reader would only be able to read 6 meters an
> hour. It would be fair to say that there is on average 2 miles between
> meters round trip. The reason for this number is there are places where
> there are several customers within a few hundreds of yards of each other.
> There are about 1,400 households. So 1,400 divided by 6 equals 233 man
> So we have 233 man-hours at $25/hr. That is $5,825 per month or $69,900
> for salaries.
> Then add 1,400 households times 2 miles times 12 months. This comes to
> The total is $103,500 to read 1,400 meters once a month for a year.
> For the sake of this exercise ASS-U-ME that the cost of a remotely read
> meter installed, with all the computers and software came to $1,000 per
> unit. (I believe Iâ€™m wildly on the high side.) With 1,400 meters this
> comes to $1,400,000.
> Your payback comes in 10 years. From my experience, Iâ€™ve never heard of
> one warring out.
> So from a purely economic reasons they made sense where I used to live.
> As for other areas they are case specific.
> Any additional economic data or corrections are welcomed.
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