[time-nuts] glossa7 being whiney on eBay...
John Ackermann N8UR
jra at febo.com
Thu Jun 16 08:29:21 EDT 2005
Thanks for the info, David. Good points all around.
There certainly seems to be a mix of views and no consensus.
My own view is that I favor the archives being open provided that doing
so doesn't inhibit the discussion here. Lacking any evidence of that,
I'm going to leave things as they are unless/until something major changes.
John
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David Kirkby wrote:
> Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
>
>>
>> Brian,
>
> Sorry, I ment John there.
>
> I'll just correct something I said, since it was incorrect, and whilst
> not a concern specifically of this mailing list, I'd rather it corrected.
>
> Also I will mention another technical issue you will encounter if you
> try to make the lists private. You may never be able to do it for posts
> within the last year or two, no matter how hard you try. Even if you
> destroy the hard disk you stored the data on!
>
>> You don't need help from Mailman, *IF* you wish to do it.
>>
>> 99% of search engines (Google included) will respect a 'robots.txt'
>> file directing them not to index certain areas of a web site. You
>> could still have your page with links to the archives:
>>
>> http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/
>>
>> so *anyone* could look at them (member or not), but their content
>> would not be indexed by search engines. You might be able to put 'meta
>> tags' in the outgoing posts with Mailman, but these tend to be old hat
>> and ignored now.
>>
>> From what I can determine from the URL, you would need just this one
>> line in a robots.txt file at the top level directory of wherever
>> febo.com is.
>>
>> Disallow: /pipermail/time-nuts/
>
>
> Actually, the
>
> Disallow: /pipermail/time-nuts/
>
> in robots.txt
>
> would stop the homepage for the archieves:
>
> http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/
>
> being indexed too. If you left the directory structure at it currently
> is, you would need to have multiple lines in robots.txt
>
> Disallow: /pipermail/time-nuts/2005-June/
> Disallow: /pipermail/time-nuts/2005-May/
> Disallow: /pipermail/time-nuts/2005-April/
>
> etc
>
> to stop the contents being indexed, but not the homepage.
>
> *IF* you were to stop indexing like this, it would be better to move the
> data of the archives to
>
> http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/archives/
>
> and still leave the homepage for archieves at
>
> http://www.febo.com/pipermail/
>
> Then just the one
>
> Disallow: /pipermail/time-nuts/
>
> would stop the contents being indexed, but not the homepage for the
> archives.
>
> BUT, I still stand by what I said though that I feel its NOT a good idea
> to stop the information being public.
>
> You seem to have a mix of opinions on that.
>
> Also be aware, that if you made the archives private today, it MAY (and
> I am not sure here) remove them from Google's cache, which it keeps for
> a LONG time.
>
> Type this line into google:
>
> g8wrb davek site:www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk
>
> and you will find two links, to pages I wrote, both of which are broken.
>
> However, click Google's "Cached" links and you wil find what was on
> those pages, with the date last retrieved in March 2004. So despite
> Google not being able to update that information in 15 months (since it
> was long since removed) it still keeps a copy.
>
>
>> Perhaps make it clear when people sign up that the list does get
>> archived, and so they should be responsible about what they say.
>
>
>
>
>> Despite doing it myself (both here and elsewhere), I think you will
>> find it's against eBay rules to mention others userids in this way, or
>> comment on autions in a public place. I can't be bothered to check the
>> exact rule - eBay seem to ignore their own rules anyway.
>>
>> The people making the comments about the seller say they are accurate
>> and stand by them. Others have stated they had no hassles - nor did I
>> for that matter. Anyone reading the archives will form their own opinion.
>>
>> Personallly I think it would be good if peoples email addresses were
>> not visable other than to members. The method used to disguise them
>> (replacing '@' with 'at') is hardly effectve. Unlike the "spiders"
>> used by responsible search engines, those used by spammers to gather
>> email addresses will not respect any robots.txt file.
>>
>> A better method of discusing the email addresses might need a bit more
>> work.
>>
>
>
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