[time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3

Muldoon, Kelly (MN65) Kelly.Muldoon at honeywell.com
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Today's Topics:

   1. RFTG on ebay (The Infamous Flavio)
   2. Re: RFTG on ebay (John Ackermann N8UR)
   3. Re: RFTG on ebay (TheInfamousFlavio at hotmail.com)
   4. Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 31, Issue 2 (Muldoon, Kelly  (MN65))
   5. Re: RFTG on ebay (Jason Rabel)
   6. Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 31, Issue 2 (John Ackermann N8UR)
   7. Re: RFTG on ebay (TheInfamousFlavio at hotmail.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:32:21 -0500
From: "The Infamous Flavio" <theinfamousflavio at hotmail.com>
Subject: [time-nuts] RFTG on ebay
To: time-nuts at febo.com
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Is it me or is kinda wierd that a vendor is posting on this list?

I've been following the RFTG discussions with great interest, and wanted
to 
buy a some boxes from "that" vendor on ebay but they posted a messagein
this 
group saying the have two RB boxes left, then I look at their store this

morning and they posted a bunch at REALLY high prices?!?!?

I don't know but looks like "that" vendor is monitoring this group and 
jacking up the prices based on everybody's progress regarding the RFTG 
units.

I don't want to rabble-rouse on my first post but I thought it kinda
weird.

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:49:43 -0500
From: John Ackermann N8UR <jra at febo.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG on ebay
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
	<time-nuts at febo.com>
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The Infamous Flavio wrote:
> Is it me or is kinda wierd that a vendor is posting on this list?
> 
> I've been following the RFTG discussions with great interest, and
wanted to 
> buy a some boxes from "that" vendor on ebay but they posted a
messagein this 
> group saying the have two RB boxes left, then I look at their store
this 
> morning and they posted a bunch at REALLY high prices?!?!?
> 
> I don't know but looks like "that" vendor is monitoring this group and

> jacking up the prices based on everybody's progress regarding the RFTG

> units.
> 
> I don't want to rabble-rouse on my first post but I thought it kinda
weird.

 From the administrator:

The list is open to anyone with an interest in time and frequency 
topics.  We have lots of folks who work in the industry, and they are 
all welcome.

We do ask that people avoid anything beyond very occasional commercial 
activity on the list.  i.e., one posting about a product known to be of 
interest to the group is OK; regular postings would be a problem.  I 
don't have a problem with the single message that was posted yesterday; 
if it was repeated, I'd be somewhat concerned.

John



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:11:23 -0500
From: <TheInfamousFlavio at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG on ebay
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
	<time-nuts at febo.com>
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Fair enough.  I just thought they're pricing strategy kind of funny (and
I 
don't mean funny-ha-ha).

It seems the price suddenly went up $100 as soon as some posts some
progress 
on time-nuts.

If you don't want me to continue this thread, I won't.   It just seems 
they're taken advantage of your group in a
way that is unfair to the group members.

Thanks
Flav


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ackermann N8UR" <jra at febo.com>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" 
<time-nuts at febo.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 13:49
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG on ebay


> The Infamous Flavio wrote:
>> Is it me or is kinda wierd that a vendor is posting on this list?
>>
>> I've been following the RFTG discussions with great interest, and
wanted 
>> to
>> buy a some boxes from "that" vendor on ebay but they posted a
messagein 
>> this
>> group saying the have two RB boxes left, then I look at their store
this
>> morning and they posted a bunch at REALLY high prices?!?!?
>>
>> I don't know but looks like "that" vendor is monitoring this group
and
>> jacking up the prices based on everybody's progress regarding the
RFTG
>> units.
>>
>> I don't want to rabble-rouse on my first post but I thought it kinda 
>> weird.
>
> From the administrator:
>
> The list is open to anyone with an interest in time and frequency
> topics.  We have lots of folks who work in the industry, and they are
> all welcome.
>
> We do ask that people avoid anything beyond very occasional commercial
> activity on the list.  i.e., one posting about a product known to be
of
> interest to the group is OK; regular postings would be a problem.  I
> don't have a problem with the single message that was posted
yesterday;
> if it was repeated, I'd be somewhat concerned.
>
> John
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:14:36 -0600
From: "Muldoon, Kelly  \(MN65\)" <Kelly.Muldoon at honeywell.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 31, Issue 2
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Please remove me so I don't get emails anymore.

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Kelly

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   1. Re: Stepping up the output of an OCXO (Bill Hawkins)
   2. Re: Stepping up the output of an OCXO (Stephan Sandenbergh)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:20:13 -0600
From: "Bill Hawkins" <bill at iaxs.net>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Stepping up the output of an OCXO
To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'"
	<time-nuts at febo.com>
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Have you investigated the concept of an attenuator, to use
before the RF gain block?

Bill Hawkins 

-----Original Message-----
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote,

"The easiest, of course, would be if there exists some integrated
solution. I browsed through the list of RF gain blocks on the
Mini-Circuits site - these little guys seem perfect for the job.
However, the typical situation is that it amplifies by at least
10dBs while the maximum output of it sits at around 13dBm. 5dBm
will thus more than saturate the poor thing."




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:34:20 +0200
From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <stephan at rrsg.ee.uct.ac.za>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Stepping up the output of an OCXO
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
	<time-nuts at febo.com>
Message-ID:
	<ca708d410702010834t53b42f08q7f14af6c2d8632c6 at mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Bill,

Judging by your question - that is probably something that I should do?

Considering that you'll attenuate the 5dBm signal to about 0dBm and then
amplifying it back up to about 10dBm. My gut tells me that by
attenuating
the signal before amplifying it will raise the noise floor. (I wouldn't
want
to ruin my -165dB noise floor)  However, I must confess that I'm new to
RF
components and sinusoidal signals, so I might be argumenting completely
wrong.

I guess I should do the math on that one.

Regards,

Stephan.


On 2/1/07, Bill Hawkins <bill at iaxs.net> wrote:
>
> Have you investigated the concept of an attenuator, to use
> before the RF gain block?
>
> Bill Hawkins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Stephan Sandenbergh wrote,
>
> "The easiest, of course, would be if there exists some integrated
> solution. I browsed through the list of RF gain blocks on the
> Mini-Circuits site - these little guys seem perfect for the job.
> However, the typical situation is that it amplifies by at least
> 10dBs while the maximum output of it sits at around 13dBm. 5dBm
> will thus more than saturate the poor thing."
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:28:00 -0600
From: "Jason Rabel" <jason at extremeoverclocking.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG on ebay
To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'"
	<time-nuts at febo.com>
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I think their prices were more of supply & demand...

The first lot of RFG-RB's that they sold had a BIN for $20!!! (I missed
out
on those or I would of bought them all), the next lot I believe had a
$50
BIN (again, missed out on those too), then $125, then $185, etc... Each
new
lot they listed just kept going up as people were continuing to buy them
all. The RFTG's were not listed until after the RFGs were already being
sold
for the $125/$185 area.

I don't know what the MSRP would be on one of these, probably so high it
would make me have a mild stroke. But for $125 that I bought my RB for,
even
just the LPRO-101 is worth that price. At $185 I probably would have
passed
on the deal. I'm waiting for the XO model to drop down to about $125, if
they do then great, if they don't then I'll just have to be patient and
wait
for some other surplus units to hit eBay at a price I'm willing to pay.

Anyhow, that post with their quantities left I found kind of
informative. It
let me know how many units they have left (a bunch) of the model I want.
So
I know I can still wait a while and hope for the price to fall some
more.
I'm not trying to defend "that vendor", but I bet you didn't know about
their initial listings that were way below value (and some people got in
on
killer deals).

Jason

> Fair enough.  I just thought they're pricing strategy kind of funny
(and I

> don't mean funny-ha-ha).
> 
> It seems the price suddenly went up $100 as soon as some posts some
progress 
> on time-nuts.
> 
> If you don't want me to continue this thread, I won't.   It just seems

> they're taken advantage of your group in a
> way that is unfair to the group members.
> 
> Thanks
> Flav





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:33:24 -0500
From: John Ackermann N8UR <jra at febo.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 31, Issue 2
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
	<time-nuts at febo.com>
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You can click on the link at the bottom of every posting from the 
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Muldoon, Kelly (MN65) wrote:
> Please remove me so I don't get emails anymore.
> 
> Thank You,
> Kelly
> 
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> Network Centric Systems
> Honeywell Aerospace- Advanced Technologies 
> 3660 Technology Drive        
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>  
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>    1. Re: Stepping up the output of an OCXO (Bill Hawkins)
>    2. Re: Stepping up the output of an OCXO (Stephan Sandenbergh)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:20:13 -0600
> From: "Bill Hawkins" <bill at iaxs.net>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Stepping up the output of an OCXO
> To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'"
> 	<time-nuts at febo.com>
> Message-ID: <000101c7461c$da52da40$0900a8c0 at cyrus>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Have you investigated the concept of an attenuator, to use
> before the RF gain block?
> 
> Bill Hawkins 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Stephan Sandenbergh wrote,
> 
> "The easiest, of course, would be if there exists some integrated
> solution. I browsed through the list of RF gain blocks on the
> Mini-Circuits site - these little guys seem perfect for the job.
> However, the typical situation is that it amplifies by at least
> 10dBs while the maximum output of it sits at around 13dBm. 5dBm
> will thus more than saturate the poor thing."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:34:20 +0200
> From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <stephan at rrsg.ee.uct.ac.za>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Stepping up the output of an OCXO
> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
> 	<time-nuts at febo.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<ca708d410702010834t53b42f08q7f14af6c2d8632c6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Judging by your question - that is probably something that I should
do?
> 
> Considering that you'll attenuate the 5dBm signal to about 0dBm and
then
> amplifying it back up to about 10dBm. My gut tells me that by
> attenuating
> the signal before amplifying it will raise the noise floor. (I
wouldn't
> want
> to ruin my -165dB noise floor)  However, I must confess that I'm new
to
> RF
> components and sinusoidal signals, so I might be argumenting
completely
> wrong.
> 
> I guess I should do the math on that one.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stephan.
> 
> 
> On 2/1/07, Bill Hawkins <bill at iaxs.net> wrote:
>> Have you investigated the concept of an attenuator, to use
>> before the RF gain block?
>>
>> Bill Hawkins
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Stephan Sandenbergh wrote,
>>
>> "The easiest, of course, would be if there exists some integrated
>> solution. I browsed through the list of RF gain blocks on the
>> Mini-Circuits site - these little guys seem perfect for the job.
>> However, the typical situation is that it amplifies by at least
>> 10dBs while the maximum output of it sits at around 13dBm. 5dBm
>> will thus more than saturate the poor thing."
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:22:05 -0500
From: <TheInfamousFlavio at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG on ebay
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
	<time-nuts at febo.com>
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I saw the $20 thing, more weirdness.

Anyway, that's wasn't my point.  That post said that they have only two
RB 
units left, but eleven are up on ebay?!?!








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Rabel" <jason at extremeoverclocking.com>
To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" 
<time-nuts at febo.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 14:28
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG on ebay


>I think their prices were more of supply & demand...
>
> The first lot of RFG-RB's that they sold had a BIN for $20!!! (I
missed 
> out
> on those or I would of bought them all), the next lot I believe had a
$50
> BIN (again, missed out on those too), then $125, then $185, etc...
Each 
> new
> lot they listed just kept going up as people were continuing to buy
them
> all. The RFTG's were not listed until after the RFGs were already
being 
> sold
> for the $125/$185 area.
>
> I don't know what the MSRP would be on one of these, probably so high
it
> would make me have a mild stroke. But for $125 that I bought my RB
for, 
> even
> just the LPRO-101 is worth that price. At $185 I probably would have 
> passed
> on the deal. I'm waiting for the XO model to drop down to about $125,
if
> they do then great, if they don't then I'll just have to be patient
and 
> wait
> for some other surplus units to hit eBay at a price I'm willing to
pay.
>
> Anyhow, that post with their quantities left I found kind of
informative. 
> It
> let me know how many units they have left (a bunch) of the model I
want. 
> So
> I know I can still wait a while and hope for the price to fall some
more.
> I'm not trying to defend "that vendor", but I bet you didn't know
about
> their initial listings that were way below value (and some people got
in 
> on
> killer deals).
>
> Jason
>
>> Fair enough.  I just thought they're pricing strategy kind of funny
(and 
>> I
>
>> don't mean funny-ha-ha).
>>
>> It seems the price suddenly went up $100 as soon as some posts some
> progress
>> on time-nuts.
>>
>> If you don't want me to continue this thread, I won't.   It just
seems
>> they're taken advantage of your group in a
>> way that is unfair to the group members.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Flav
>
>
>
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