[time-nuts] position determination over short distance

Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths at xtra.co.nz
Mon Nov 24 02:52:32 UTC 2008


Rick Harold wrote:
> All,
>
> I'm planning doing some experiments in distance measurement.  They don't
> deal with atomic time directly but with extreme short periods of time.
>
> I need to determine the position of a instrument with a 1mm accuracy or
> less.
> The instrument is not connected to a mechanical device but is separate &
> independent.
> The surface which the instrument is positioned on is close to the size of a
> 11"x11" square.
>
> I thought of using 1 RF transmitters (not sure of freq) on bottom of the
> device near the surface.
> The surface would have RF receivers on 3 or 4 edges/corners to receive the
> signal.
>
> If each of the receivers positions are known and they then send a signal to
> a central circuit (again known positions) how can I differentiate the time
> of arrival
> at the central location?  Does anybody know of a circuit/chip or system
> which would determine the time 'difference'.
> Obviously this is used to triangulate the position of the instrument.
> Light travels 1 mm in ~3.3 picoseconds so I would suspect the differentiator
> would have to have that or better resolution.
> It could also use some proportional method to extrapolate the position since
> the surface has a fixed size.
>
> Any ideas/thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Rick Harold
>   
Rick

The techniques used in early geodimeters spring to mind.
Just modulate the RF transmissions with various carriers and make a
sequence of modulation phase shift measurements.

Of course one could also use the same techniques employed in the GPS system.

Are you sure that you cant just use optical techniques with corner cube
reflectors?

Can you not triangulate using 3 or more cameras?

Bruce



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