[time-nuts] * * * BOB CAMP - YOUR POLLS * * *

Tijd Dingen tijddingen at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 26 21:55:56 UTC 2011


Well put. One man's noise is another man's signal... Just apply filter where 
applicable.





----- Original Message ----
From: William H. Fite <omniryx at gmail.com>
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 10:40:20 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] * * * BOB CAMP - YOUR POLLS * * *

The last thing I want to do is to start a flame war but I must respectfully
disagree with WB6BNQ.  The volume of responses that this poll has elicited
amply demonstrates that it is of broad interest to the membership.  That,
alone, justifies its existence.  What I have found when people start
grumbling about the S/N ratio on a list of this type is that usually they
are unhappy because the topic that is passingly dominating the discussion is
one that holds for them no personal interest.  It is for such circumstances
that God hath given unto us, his faithful servants, the delete key...

Another Bill




On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 5:23 PM, WB6BNQ <wb6bnq at cox.net> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> This is suppose to be a high "signal" - to - "noise" list.  That means it
> is not loaded with unnecessary traffic.
>
> These polls are just that, a lot of noise.  The reason is they produce
> nothing of value and clog the email input of those who chose to receive the
> Timenuts list messages as they are sent in.
>
> Perhaps you could construct a web site where such polls could be done.
>  Please have some compassion for the original intent of the list and a good
> many of us that are not interested such germane issues that clearly spread
> all over the map.
>
> thank you,
>
> Bill....WB6BNQ
>
> Bob Camp wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Well that raises a question that I decided not to put in the original
> poll. I was trying to keep things from going to many directions at once. So
> here's the second poll question:
> >
> > On the same project ($250 to $500) / three complex chips / same
> objective:
> >
> > If you could get it assembled as a "semi kit" for another $100 - would
> you pay the money or would you build it yourself?
> >
> > For the sake of the poll, it's an un-tested board with all the hard stuff
> (SMT) done. What's left are hand solder parts (connectors, big regulators
> etc). Not quite 1950's assembly, but certainly nothing more than your
> Heathkit asked you to do. Also not a lot of it.
> >
> > Of course I have no idea if the $100 is the right number. It could be
> high, it could be low. Since it's a short run, I suspect the "per run"
> charges (machine setup and screens) will be a significant part of what would
> be paid. Rather than fine tuning that number, lets just go with it for right
> now.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Douglas H Reed wrote:
> >
> > > I'll chime in too.
> > > I've done plenty of small SMT at work and I do have a stereo
> > > microscope and suitable tools at home. I'd potentially try the toaster
> > > oven reflow technique but mainly just to see if it works. Paste solder
> > > is not my friend....
> > >
> > > On the other hand, I'd say it was easily worth a $50 surcharge to have
> > > a board house do it for me. As reference, the DG8SAQ VNWA was
> > > originally a kit but is now only available assembled and tested, and I
> > > think that was less than $100 more. For a potentially high volume
> > > project, the FunCube dongle is professionally assembled and then
> > > tested and repaired by the club volunteers before being assembled and
> > > shipped.
> > >
> > > If some one or a group is going to create parts kits for the project,
> > > you will find it takes a lot of time that might otherwise be used for
> > > testing the assembled boards coming back from the board house. Please
> > > note that any $$$ figures are just a guess, not from any Purchasing
> > > knowledge. I've never dealt with a board house but I know short runs
> > > will be expensive due to setup time.
> > >
> > > I don't want to throw cold water on the project because I think these
> > > sorts of projects are the best part of what ham radio is. I've always
> > > been a techie more than a PTT pusher.... I have a couple SoftRock
> > > kits, and I think there are a set of boards for a Scottie's Spec-an
> > > somewhere around the house.... But I bought the VNWA assembled.
> > >
> > > I'll certainly keep reading and will be interested to see where the
> > > project goes.
> > >
> > > 73, Doug Reed, N0NAS.
> > >
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