[time-nuts] Chinese Scopes

J. Forster jfor at quikus.com
Mon Apr 16 20:58:09 UTC 2012


OK. IMO, there is another, perhas a more important, issue....  memory depth.

Most digital scopes I've seen, and some LAs too, just don't have enough
depth for my taste, so they undersample and guess.

Tek did make the RTD-710A high speed transient data digitizer that had 64
MB of 12 (?) bit RAM. That is beginning to be useful, IMO.

-John

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> Sorry john, that's more what I meant, by accuracy and precision I imply
> its faithful to the signal you choose to examine, free of artifacts
> induced by the scopes timebase or vertical amp, but with DSOs its limited
> by Nyquist sampling rules.
>
> Thus, sampling rate is as important a feature as a scopes rated bandwidth.
>  For best results, its should be 10x the analog bandwidth.  Below it, one
> has to beware of artifacts, it worsens as the ratio signal bandwidth/
> sampling rate < 10.
>
>
> At 14:32 04/16/2012, time-nuts-request at febo.com wrote:
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> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
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> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)
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>> At eevblog.com forum Chinese scopes are a daily discussion for over 3
>> years.
>>
>> In summary, in the <= 100 MHz level they are ...
> ...snip...
>>... less.  The criteria for rating them are
>> measurement accuracy and precision, UI, construction quality and tech
>> support.
>
> Measurement accuracy is a ruse, IMO. I don't care if a 'scope is
> "accurate". I want the waveform to be a faithful representation of the
> electrical behaviour of the circuit, free oif sampling artifacts and
> aliasing.
>
> If I want to accurately measure a voltage, I'll use a differential
> comparator or DVM. Anything timing, an appropriately gated counter.
>
> Some years ago Tektronix had a digital camera package with RS-170 output
> and some aardvaark frame grab board for a PC and a SW package. It was
> designed to do waveform measurement.
>
> I would actually like to know why many seem to feel that a 500 MHz analog
> 'scope is not "good enough" for what you really do in your lab?
>
> The more I hear about 40 GSps or whatever 'scopes, the more I'm convinced
> it's like comparing car engines or top speed. So, I have a car that'll do
> 160 MPH and yours will do 172? So what? Can you use it? No.
>
> YMMV,
>
> -John
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
>
> Marv Gozum, Philadelphia Pa
>
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