[time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

David davidwhess at gmail.com
Tue Dec 18 02:22:21 UTC 2012

I have seen the small diameter, about like RG-174, delay cable used
for patching PC boards after the fact.  That is how I know it exists.

I just have not found a source for it.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:47:34 -0500, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:

>At some point the whole get it onto the board / get it off the board thing becomes the main issue. Then it's easier to just make the delay line part of the PC layout.
>On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:39 PM, David <davidwhess at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential
>> transmission line like the type used in later analog oscilloscopes.
>> The only place I know where to find it is oscilloscope part mules.
>> Essentially it was transmission line with a ridiculously low velocity
>> factor.  It is great for building instant digital delay lines up to
>> the low 10s of nanoseconds range in a small space.
>> On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:04:15 -0500, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> The nice thing about a spool of coax is that it's got a bit of thermal mass. It will average out a lot of minor temperature ups and downs. 
>>> Bob
>>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray at megapathdsl.net> wrote:
>>>> lists at rtty.us said:
>>>>> If you are trying to set up say a 1 us delay, you will get ~ 50 ps per
>>>>> degree C in your delay. That's a lot ..... 
>>>> A while ago, tvb at LeapSecond.com said:
>>>>> A long delay cable is fine too. If these are timing receivers you probably
>>>>> don't need more than 100 ns of delay, once you figure out which receiver is
>>>>> ahead of the other. The cable tempco is low enough not to worry about. 
>>>> 100 ns is 50-100 feet.  That's a reasonable length to work with.  But I was 
>>>> curious about the temperature coefficient.  Google found this:
>>>> http://www.hepl.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/phx/notes/cable/cable.html
>>>> which says:
>>>> # Belden 8240 (solid) shows a temperature coefficient of around 
>>>> -0.252ps/m/deg in a temperature range between -20 and 30 deg. The coefficient 
>>>> becomes steeper beyond 30 deg.
>>>> # Belden 8219 (foam) shows a larger temperature coefficient of around -0.352 
>>>> ps/m/deg than that of 8240 in the similar temperature range. The coefficient 
>>>> becomes steeper beyond 30 deg, but less steeper than that of 8240.
>>>> # Fujikura RG58-A/U shows the smallest temperature coefficient of around 
>>>> -0.152 ps/m/deg, but in a narrow temperature range between -10 and 20 deg. 
>>>> The coefficient beyond 20 deg is much steeper than the others.
>>>> To pick round numbers, 30 meters and 3 C and 0.25 ps/m/C gives 25 ps.

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