[time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?
SAIDJACK at aol.com
SAIDJACK at aol.com
Tue May 15 21:14:35 UTC 2012
Mike,
Attila is trying to explain that the leading edge is not what we are
concerned about in this thread (its subject to discussion in other email
threads), it is the effect of what follows after that leading edge, and propagates
down the power supplies to cause side effects that is being discussed here.
Tom mentioned he can measure this as 10's of Watts of increased power
consumption spikes on the AC line when the 1PPS goes high. This won't happen
with short pulses, only with long ones that are end-terminated.
In a message dated 5/15/2012 13:51:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
mikes at flatsurface.com writes:
On 5/15/2012 4:19 PM, Attila Kinali wrote:
> If the
> PPS pulse is short, it contains very little energy, which means
> the energy can be supplied by the small capacitors at the output
> driver. The longer the pulse gets, the more energy it needs.
The pulse is meaningless. It's only the leading edge that matters. I
understand how shorter pulses may make for marginally cheaper electronics.
> Which might have a negative effect on their performance.
I might win the lotto. The question is exactly _how_ does it effect
their performance, especially if they're synchronizing to the PPS signal.
> it's no use of having a fast
> rising edge, if the pulse colapses a couple ns later.
Huh? If ns is too short, and ms is too long, what makes us just right?
And why are there so many timing receivers that only output on the order
of 20 us, when there are so many inputs which may require a few ms?
PPS is edge triggered, not level triggered. Once the leading edge is
transmitted (and it by necessity has a very fast rise time, so it looks
to capacitors, transformers, etc. as a high frequency signal), the shape
of the pulse really doesn't matter much. Some devices need more than a
minimum above some threshold, but what ones need less than a maximum? If
it doesn't look like a flat topped pulse, so what? As long as the decay
is basically monotonic, and the receiver has some hysteresis (reasonable
assumptions), it makes no difference.
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