[time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver

J. Forster jfor at quikus.com
Thu Sep 27 14:23:18 UTC 2012


Jim,

What you are suggesting is essentially a spread spectrum system where the
chip pattern is time varient.

IMO, this is an incredible kludge. And, there is no gurantee that the
algorythm for generating the chip pattern will not change down the road.

YMMV,

-John

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> On 9/26/12 10:15 PM, Peter Monta wrote:
>>> I'm not sure about residual carrier aiding the tracking process.  A
>>> Costas
>>> loop recovers the carrier pretty well, and a symbol aided loop (where
>>> the I
>>> channel has a hard limiter, for instance) does even better.
>>
>> Yes, these work (and a soft tanh() limiter improves on the hard
>> limiter a little bit), but I think they don't work as well as a PLL
>> with a pure carrier, where performance is measured as the variance of
>> the phase estimate at a given SNR.
>>
>>> After all, the energy is still the same.
>>
>> True, but information has been lost as a result of introducing these
>> unknown phase transitions.  Now if the phase transitions are known,
>> one can certainly wipe them off by multiplying by a noiseless replica
>> of the known phase modulation, and then you're back to pure carrier.
>> But if you don't know the transitions ahead of time, you need the
>> Costas loop to find them for you, and that costs SNR.
>>
>> In WWVB's case, many of these phase transitions probably can be
>> predicted.  But the point is not so much that good timing receivers
>> for the new signal are problematic.  On the contrary, they're no
>> problem at all with a little DSP.  But for the sake of backward
>> compatibility, putting 5 or 10 percent of the signal power into a
>> carrier seems a small price to pay.
>
>
> Or, you can use an acausal processing scheme.. demodulate the bits, then
> go back and remove them from the input signal.  If what you're doing is
> recovering timing to a gnat's eyelash, that would probably work.
>
>
>>
>> Using a Costas-loop preprocessor to a legacy phase receiver is almost
>> to the point where you're better off tossing the legacy receiver and
>> just using the preprocessor.
>>
>> I don't want to sound too negative here.  I'm glad WWVB is getting
>> these improvements, and the clarification from John Lowe earlier today
>> about the openness of the signal is helpful.  But backward
>> compatibility would have been so easy to put in.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
>>
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