[time-nuts] Why the fuss?

DaveH info at blackmountainforge.com
Fri Sep 28 02:27:36 UTC 2012


And don't get me started on "Smart Growth", the International Council for
Local Environmental Initiatives and Agenda 21.

All designed to move us into dense urban living conditions with fixed mass
transit and odious rules as to what kind of light bulb we can use, what kind
of toilet we can install, construction practices and materials, etc...

A lot of people are decrying this as tinfoil hat bleating but if you
actually read the proposals and observe places where they have been enacted
(Portland, OR), the result is not what one would expect, quite the opposite
because nobody wants to live in conditions like that.

http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/individual/2012/05/all_hail_our_master
mind_overlords_the_iclei.html

When I moved to where I am now, the specific request to my realtor was that
there be zero CC&Rs.  I am in unincorporated Whatcom County -- the City of
Bellingham is a member of ICLEI and talking to local builders, getting a
permit for anything besides the County's "smart growth" initiatives is like
pulling teeth.

Like John said, these get slipstreamed in with popular measures and not
talked about in the press.

Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com 
> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 18:17
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
> 
> Absolutely!
> 
> Often as not, a bunch of new rules and regulations are 
> "bundled" with some
> popular measure. The popular measure gets the press, the rest of the
> package gets ignored.
> 
> That happens at all levels of government. Purposely so.
> 
> -John
> 
> ===============
> 
> 
> > HI
> >
> > 
. and if you believe that these sort of restrictions are 
> passed one at a
> > time locally.. not so much. The "easy way" is for your 
> local government to
> > simply adopt an "up to date" package of rules. Rarely do 
> any of those
> > voting understand what in the package. Rarely does the vote 
> get anything
> > more than passing notice in the local community.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If you are under the impression living in an older, built 
> up area will
> >> be
> >> a defense against those with a Martha Stewart fetish, you 
> are wrong.
> >>
> >> -John
> >>
> >> ================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, that's what I love about the SF bay area- lots of old
> >>> neighborhoods
> >>> that didn't have all these silly restrictions in place 
> when they were
> >>> built.  There are the "usual" CC&Rs, like I can raise 
> chickens, but
> >>> not
> >>> cows, but it doesn't mandate what three colors you can paint your
> >>> house,
> >>> or the window coverings you can have or how long you can 
> park your car
> >>> in
> >>> the driveway.  Yes, things can change, but at least it's 
> not in place
> >>> in
> >>> the beginning- and we can monitor implementation of any 
> changes, at
> >>> least
> >>> in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale (where we have neighborhood groups that
> >>> monitor
> >>> such things, specifically because we like the status quo).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure some or all of the newer developments do have silly
> >>> restrictions,
> >>> I just would never buy into one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
> >>> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
> >>> <time-nuts at febo.com>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:47:15 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
> >>>
> >>> Earth to Dave:
> >>>
> >>> Sometimes laws and regulations change years after you buy 
> a piece of
> >>> property or do something perfectly legal.
> >>>
> >>> Nobody is safe whenever (Congress, Agency, State Legislature, Town
> >>> Council, governing body, or whatever) is in session.
> >>>
> >>> YMMV,
> >>>
> >>> -John
> >>>
> >>> ===========
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> These are amoung other reasons why I will never buy a house in a
> >>>> development or with a HOA.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Bob Camp" <lists at rtty.us>
> >>>> To: jfor at quikus.com, "Discussion of precise time and frequency
> >>>> measurement" <time-nuts at febo.com>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:36:23 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi
> >>>>
> >>>> .... and indeed many of the "likely hiding places" are 
> also on the
> >>>> list
> >>>> of
> >>>> things you are not supposed to do.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com 
> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com]
> >>>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of J. Forster
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:20 PM
> >>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> >>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
> >>>>
> >>>> Vent pipes are not usually 20-30 feet tall.
> >>>>
> >>>> -John
> >>>>
> >>>> =============
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Which for all intents and purposes means "nothing that 
> looks like an
> >>>>> antenna
> >>>>> to John Q. Public". What if your GPS antenna looked 
> like a vent pipe?
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> Bird House? It may be difficult to hide a decent HF 
> antenna, But, a
> >>>>> 1.5
> >>>>> GHz
> >>>>> antenna can be virtually invisible.
> >>>>> Dale NV8U
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Bob Camp
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:02 PM
> >>>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right here in PA for one. You essentially can not buy a 
> new house
> >>>>> without
> >>>>> there being various conditions written into the title. 
> One universal
> >>>>> one
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> "no antennas". The only exception is for one 19" sat 
> dish for TV,
> >>>>> since
> >>>>> that's a federal mandate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com 
> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com]
> >>>>> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of brent evers
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:57 AM
> >>>>> To: jfor at quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency
> >>>>> measurement
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Zoning, Legal?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brent
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM, J. Forster 
> <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Because:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LORAN-C is gone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not all can use GPS because of siting, horizon, 
> zoning, legal, and
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>> issues. Not everyone can erect antenna towers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is nothing else, except perhaps WWV or CHU on HF.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ==================
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I cannot think of a time-nuts WWVB reference requirement
> >>>>>>> that cannot be better satisfied with a GPSDO.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Will  NIST publish a public domain reference circuit?
> >>>>>>> That would allay patent concerns.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
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