[time-nuts] Why the fuss?

Fri Sep 28 11:59:36 UTC 2012

Unfortunately it's not that easy. Where I lived for a long time I kept trying to 
nail down various candidates on their positions on such things like ham radio 
antennas and it was maddeningly frustrating. I was actually asked to run for 
office at one point, maybe I should of. If nothing else the town would have been 
great for hams.

Peter

On 9/27/2012 10:42 PM, J. Forster wrote:
> Comming soon to a voting booth near you.
>
> YMMV,
>
> -John
>
> ==============
>
>
>
>> And don't get me started on "Smart Growth", the International Council for
>> Local Environmental Initiatives and Agenda 21.
>>
>> All designed to move us into dense urban living conditions with fixed mass
>> transit and odious rules as to what kind of light bulb we can use, what
>> kind
>> of toilet we can install, construction practices and materials, etc...
>>
>> A lot of people are decrying this as tinfoil hat bleating but if you
>> actually read the proposals and observe places where they have been
>> enacted
>> (Portland, OR), the result is not what one would expect, quite the
>> opposite
>> because nobody wants to live in conditions like that.
>>
>> http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/individual/2012/05/all_hail_our_master
>> mind_overlords_the_iclei.html
>>
>> When I moved to where I am now, the specific request to my realtor was
>> that
>> there be zero CC&Rs.  I am in unincorporated Whatcom County -- the City of
>> Bellingham is a member of ICLEI and talking to local builders, getting a
>> permit for anything besides the County's "smart growth" initiatives is
>> like
>> pulling teeth.
>>
>> Like John said, these get slipstreamed in with popular measures and not
>> talked about in the press.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com
>>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 18:17
>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>>>
>>> Absolutely!
>>>
>>> Often as not, a bunch of new rules and regulations are
>>> "bundled" with some
>>> popular measure. The popular measure gets the press, the rest of the
>>> package gets ignored.
>>>
>>> That happens at all levels of government. Purposely so.
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>>
>>>> HI
>>>>
>>>> …. and if you believe that these sort of restrictions are
>>> passed one at a
>>>> time locally.. not so much. The "easy way" is for your
>>> local government to
>>>> simply adopt an "up to date" package of rules. Rarely do
>>> any of those
>>>> voting understand what in the package. Rarely does the vote
>>> get anything
>>>> more than passing notice in the local community.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you are under the impression living in an older, built
>>> up area will
>>>>> be
>>>>> a defense against those with a Martha Stewart fetish, you
>>> are wrong.
>>>>> -John
>>>>>
>>>>> ================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that's what I love about the SF bay area- lots of old
>>>>>> neighborhoods
>>>>>> that didn't have all these silly restrictions in place
>>> when they were
>>>>>> built.Â  There are the "usual" CC&Rs, like I can raise
>>> chickens, but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> cows, but it doesn't mandate what three colors you can paint your
>>>>>> house,
>>>>>> or the window coverings you can have or how long you can
>>> park your car
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the driveway.Â  Yes, things can change, but at least it's
>>> not in place
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the beginning- and we can monitor implementation ofÂ any
>>> changes, at
>>>>>> least
>>>>>> in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale (where we have neighborhood groups that
>>>>>> monitor
>>>>>> such things, specifically because we like the status quo).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure some or all of the newer developments do have silly
>>>>>> restrictions,
>>>>>> I just would never buy into one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
>>>>>> <time-nuts at febo.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:47:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earth to Dave:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes laws and regulations change years after you buy
>>> a piece of
>>>>>> property or do something perfectly legal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody is safe whenever (Congress, Agency, State Legislature, Town
>>>>>> Council, governing body, or whatever) is in session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YMMV,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are amoung other reasons why I will never buy a house in a
>>>>>>> development or with a HOA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Bob Camp" <lists at rtty.us>
>>>>>>> To: jfor at quikus.com, "Discussion of precise time and frequency
>>>>>>> measurement" <time-nuts at febo.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:36:23 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .... and indeed many of the "likely hiding places" are
>>> also on the
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> things you are not supposed to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com
>>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of J. Forster
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:20 PM
>>>>>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vent pipes are not usually 20-30 feet tall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =============
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which for all intents and purposes means "nothing that
>>> looks like an
>>>>>>>> antenna
>>>>>>>> to John Q. Public". What if your GPS antenna looked
>>> like a vent pipe?
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> Bird House? It may be difficult to hide a decent HF
>>> antenna, But, a
>>>>>>>> 1.5
>>>>>>>> GHz
>>>>>>>> antenna can be virtually invisible.
>>>>>>>> Dale NV8U
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Bob Camp
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:02 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right here in PA for one. You essentially can not buy a
>>> new house
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> there being various conditions written into the title.
>>> One universal
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> "no antennas". The only exception is for one 19" sat
>>> dish for TV,
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> that's a federal mandate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com
>>> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of brent evers
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>> To: jfor at quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency
>>>>>>>> measurement
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Zoning, Legal?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM, J. Forster
>>> <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Because:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LORAN-C is gone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not all can use GPS because of siting, horizon,
>>> zoning, legal, and
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> issues. Not everyone can erect antenna towers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is nothing else, except perhaps WWV or CHU on HF.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I cannot think of a time-nuts WWVB reference requirement
>>>>>>>>>> that cannot be better satisfied with a GPSDO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will Ã‚Â NIST publish a public domain reference circuit?
>>>>>>>>>> That would allay patent concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R Ã‚Â  Ã‚Â  caf at omen.com Ã‚Â
>>>>>>>>>> www.omen.com
>>>>>>>>>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications
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