[time-nuts] Thermal noise contribution to phase noise

Bob Camp lists at rtty.us
Tue Jan 15 20:10:27 UTC 2013


Hi

It's not even that complex. Thermal noise is half phase noise and half
amplitude noise. The sum must equal -174.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:38 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Thermal noise contribution to phase noise

I've noticed a disturbing tendency to quote the thermal noise 
contribution to phase noise as -174dBm/Hz instead of the corrent value 
of -177dBm/Hz as verified by measurement by NIST:
http://tf.nist.gov/phase/noisemeas.html

This error occurs in papers from Spectrum Microwave, Wenzel Associates 
and others.
Blindly propagating the results quoted in the early literature isnt 
particularly helpful given that the definition of SSB phase noise has 
changed in the intervening decades.

Bruce

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