[time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

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Wed Mar 27 12:08:50 EDT 2013

SDR isn't as taxing as you think. I'm running 4 of those rtlsdr type dongles on an A8-cortex. Granted under linux, but this is a single core Arm. 

The "multimedia" versions of linux don't get much press these days since the kernel itself now is rather low latency. But if you google "linux musicians" or "windows musicians", there are tips for latency reduction. 

One of the nicest things you can do to a computer is turn off the stupid file indexing. On windows, the program "everything" is faster than windows file search ever was, and doesn't need the index.

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From: Chris Albertson <albertson.chris at gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:38:32 
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The appearent conflict here is in the definition of "real time".

For the video capture application we only need to keep up with the
average data rate and if the system stops reading data for a few tens
of milliseconds and lets it buffer in the capture hardware then it is
OK because nothing is lost.   The only criteria for success is
"nothing is lost".

The SDR application is a little more time critical because it needs to
play the proceed audio.  But again it can be buffered and we'd never
notice a 50 millisecond lag in audio and for radio  a 100 ms lag might
go unnoticed

But there is a category of what engineers ca "hard real time".  Home
computer users don't normally use their PCs for hard real time
applications.  This would be things like controlling a walking robot,
guiding an anti aircraft missile or just about any time a computer is
inside the feedback loop of a control system.  These are all
engineering and science applications that home users wouldn't see.

A "harder" real time use that people DO see in home use is music.  If
you try to do multi-track recording in a home music studio with
windows.  This can be done but people have to do thinks like (1)
remove everything non music related from the PC and disconnect it from
the network.  (2) replace the audio subsystem software with special
real-time ASIO audio drivers.  Then it can work

So ""real-time" has a wide range of meanings, video capture is about
the easiest to do and being embedded in a servo control loop the

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:08 PM, David I. Emery <die at dieconsulting.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 07:39:51PM +0100, Alberto di Bene wrote:
>> On 3/26/2013 7:21 PM, Dan Kemppainen wrote:
>> >Keep in mind, we are after all, taking about windows. An operating
>> >system that IS NOT real time operating system. (You think it is, try
>> >move a continuous stream of a few 6+ MBytes/Sec data to it!)
>> Well, the Perseus SDR, when set to its maximum sampling rate after the DDC,
>> sends
>> the I and Q continuous streams (24 bit/sample each), to the PC at a rate of
>> 2 MHz. This
>> means 12 MBytes/sec via a high speed USB2 port. Using one the many
>> available SDR
>> programs, those 12 MBytes/sec are received, FIR and FFT are applied,
>> demodulation
>> algorithms are used, and there are no glitches in the final audio...  if
>> even a single sample
>> would be lost, you would ear immediately the artifact....
>> Windows is not as bad as somebody would depict it... :-)
>         I have been using Windows for digital video analysis and
> capture for years... often capture multiple 70-80 mb/s transport streams
> by the hour from USB and PCI sources and output similar for testing.
>         It works.
>         Does take buffering and tuning in the code, and some in the
> hardware.
> --
>   Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, die at dieconsulting.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493
> "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten
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> celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."
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