[time-nuts] 9390 GPS RX

Bob Camp lists at rtty.us
Mon May 27 08:30:46 EDT 2013


Hi

The C field adjustment on the Rb should have a range of > +/- 0.003 Hz a 10 MHz. It is unlikely that you can pull the Rb 0.05 Hz.

The EFC on the OC-VCXO should have a range of > 30 Hz. You should be able to bump the EFC 0.05 Hz. 

All that is based (of course) on already having something that is good to 0.0002 Hz to compare things to. If you don't have that, just watch it as it locks. If it does not have enough range it should rail when in FFL mode. 

Bob

On May 27, 2013, at 5:13 AM, "Mark C. Stephens" <marks at non-stop.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Ed,
> 
> 
> All looking good with EFC reconnected.
> 
> I will chuck it on time-lab shortly.
> 
> Except the output frequency is -0.05Hz out.
> 
> Do you think the 9390 EFC will pull it in O/K?
> 
> 
> -marki
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On Behalf Of Ed Palmer
> Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 1:33 PM
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 9390 GPS RX
> 
> 
> On 5/26/2013 8:24 PM, Mark C. Stephens wrote:
>> Ed, I'd unplugged the Rb from the counter and into the timer for measurement.
>> 
>> During this time it had dropped out of lock again.
>> That's why the Allan Deviation is so bad, it was sweeping.
>> But I didn't realise as there was no counter attached!
>> 
>> I need to connect something up to the 'lock' pin for a visual indication of lock to avoid further embarrassments..
> 
> I've got manuals for both the FRK and the 'FRK (H or L)'.  The FRK says that the lock input can handle up to 70V @ 50 ma.  The other one doesn't say.  You should be able to run an LED with a dropping resistor from the 
> +24 supply.
> 
>> I have cracked it open again and revisited the crystal board.
>> 
>> I found that the centre frequency was a tad low so I upped C12 to 27pf 
>> (from 22pf) With 6v EFC and the trimmer cap in mid position its dead on 10Mhz.
> 
> Remember that it doesn't have to be dead center.  After all, that's why the thing sweeps in the first place.  It's looking for the signal and it will find it if it's anywhere in the sweep range.
> 
>> And I slowed down and waited (thanks Ed..) overnight to see if it drifted off anywhere else.
>> But at 10Mhz it has stayed.
> 
> Very nice! :)  More thought, less action.  Move as though you're defusing a bomb.  Ideally, you know what you want to do, why (with at least two seperate tests to confirm your reasoning), and what should happen when you make the change.  Adjustments are bad enough, be triple sure before you touch the soldering iron.  Yes, it's overkill for most situations, but if major dollars or an irreplaceable device are at stake, it will pay dividends in the long term.
> 
>> I will reconnect EFC later on today (being a work day) when I get some time to move.
> 
> Work?  What is this Work thing you speak of?  Oh, yes, I think I do have some vague recollection from years past.  I think I tried it but didn't care for it.  :)
> 
>> I also have the sneaking suspicion the external adjustments have been 'got at'
>> 
>> Looking at the trimmer pot through my mag lamp for c-field adjust, I can see a lot of scratches and wear.
> 
> I wouldn't be surprised to find that someone played with the external adjustment in a misguided attempt to compensate for the crystal drift.  
> Totally ineffective.  The C-field is at the wrong end of the system.
> 
>> Hopefully the Oscillator current capacitor C11 and the temperature adjustment hasn't been touched.
> 
> You mean for the lamp?  They're pretty hard to get at.  I had to adjust the lamp temperature on one unit and had a devil of a time finding a screwdriver that could reach it.  The reading on the lamp voltage monitor will tell you if those adjustments are correct. Remember, move slowly and carefully.  :)
> 
>> Anyway, Wish me luck ;)
> 
> Always :),
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
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