[time-nuts] Beating 20MHz was Shielding a DAC line
Robert Atkinson
robert8rpi at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Sep 27 02:32:00 EDT 2013
Hi Bob,
You say you are not ready to go GPS. I assume you mean a GPSDO. If you have a 'scope you can use just about any GPS with a 1pps output. trigger the scope from the 1pps while monitoring the 20MHz sine wave and adjust for minimum drift of the trace. A timing GPS module will be better (you can get a used Oncore UT plus for under $20 on ebay) but anything will be better than beating an HF signal by ear.
HTH,
Robert G8RPI. (too many Bobs :-)
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From: Bob Albert <bob91343 at yahoo.com>
To: Bob Stewart <bob at evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
Sent: Friday, 27 September 2013, 2:24
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line
This is off topic but I'm unsure how to do it properly.
I am trying to 'discipline' a couple of sources. I zero beat with 20 MHz WWV but can't tell the difference between fading and the beat, so I am stuck in the vicinity of 1 Hz possible error. That's 50 ppb I think.
What can I do to take the next step to bring the oscillators in closer agreement? I am not ready to go GPS or buy a rubidium standard.
Bob
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From: Bob Stewart <bob at evoria.net>
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line
Hi Bob,
I should have mentioned that I added a new 5MHz output, and the coax ran within 1/8" of the single DAC wire going to the OCXO. I don't think anything else changed, but of course there could be some flake of something on the DAC line that I missed. I put on the RG-174 and I see that it's still locking high. I suppose it could be just that it was a long power cycle to the oscillator. Come to think of it, this thing does like to move to a new voltage sometimes when I have it off to mess with something. So, maybe it's just the oscillator being cranky. I haven't had it off for more than just a few seconds in a long time. If I weren't in test and development mode where anomalies are good, I think I'd put the old one back in.
Thanks as always,
Bob
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> From: Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us>
>To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line
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>Hi
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>I suspect that you have a ground offset between the OCXO's ground return and the DAC's ground reference. The signal *should* be DC, Shielding it won't hurt, but it really should not help much. If anything is an issue a simple R/C filter at the OCXO pin should nuke it better than coax will.
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>Bob
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>On Sep 26, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bob Stewart <bob at evoria.net> wrote:
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>> I made some minor hardware changes to my GPSDO today and I see that it's locked to a new DAC voltage about 21mV higher. So, I was wondering about shielding the short run to the OCXO. I have immediately available RG-174 and I'm putting that in. But, should this be some sort of steel shelled semi-rigid coax? Maybe it's a dumb question, but I thought I'd ask.
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>> Bob - AE6RV
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