[time-nuts] Errors on HP 58503A GPS time & frequency reference receiver b...

Bob Camp kb8tq at n1k.org
Sat Dec 13 08:57:35 EST 2014


> On Dec 13, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) <drkirkby at kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13 December 2014 at 13:03, Bert Kehren via time-nuts
> <time-nuts at febo.com> wrote:
>> Ebay does not protect buyers and it is understandable. Look at the # of
>> your buys and the # of the seller. I can tell you horror stories and in the
>> case  of
>> _ggg*fitting_ (http://www.ebay.com/usr/ggg*fitting?_trksid=p2047675.l2559)
>> when I posted a  negative review refused me a refund after I send back the
>> defective used 5680  advertised as new. I did have the emails ebay did
>> nothing.
> I think you are just going about it the wrong way in that case. I am
> no fan of eBay, but if you play by their rules and return the item,
> you will get a refund.

That may be true in your experience. That has very much *not* been my experience.


> You have an extra line of defense if you pay on a credit card, but I
> have never needed to use that.
> I have not in recent years had any problems getting refunds for bad items.
> The best tip I can give you is not to send the item back until eBay
> tell you, and use the address they give you - not one the seller may
> ask you to send it to. If you can prove you dispatched the item to the
> seller, at the address eBay give you, then you will get a refund.
> I once paid £80 for a 100 W ultrasonic cleaner, which drew about 50 W
> from the mains, so short of it being a perpetual motion machine, it
> was not up to the specification. That cost me £50 to send back to
> China, which I was ****ed off about. The seller would not pay the
> import duties, so I asked UPS to destroy it. I got my money back from
> eBay, simply because they see I sent it.
> Of course, spending £50 to send back an item that did at least work to
> some extent may seem illogical, but there was a principle at stake.
> Now things are much better for buyers, as sellers have to pay the
> shipping both ways if an item is not as described. To quote from
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/return-item.html#shipping-charges
> "If you're returning an item because it isn't as described in the
> listing, the seller is responsible for return shipping charges,
> regardless of the seller's return policy. "
> I'm sorry, I don't think there is any reasonable excuse for not
> getting a refund, and not leaving negative feedback.
> At least with ggg*fitting his feedback is quite poor, but with yixunhk
> there is 100% positive feedback, which is why I feel time-nuts should
> be doing more when they know yixunhk is sellling fakes.
> Dave
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