[time-nuts] Noise and non-linear behaviour of ferrite transformers

Didier Juges shalimr9 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 22 13:15:24 EDT 2014

Effectiveness of coax cable (at eliminating the effects of current through the shield) is often expressed as "transfer impedance".

Google it for more info, it has been extensively covered in the literature.

Didier KO4BB

On July 20, 2014 11:18:58 PM CDT, Chuck Harris <cfharris at erols.com> wrote:
>Lots of meanings to the word induce.  The one I was using was: to
>bring on, or about; effect; cause...  I was not intending to imply
>transformer action.  As an engineer I should know better than to
>try to use English to describe electrical phenomenon.
>My intention was to find out what: " ...the skin depth of the coax
>shield gives up well before 60Hz..." meant.
>Real life examples show that coax does just fine at shielding all
>the way down to DC...  As long as you keep the currents flowing
>through the outside of the shield to a minimum.  Which is done
>routinely by not connecting the ends of the shield so that current
>loops occur.  Hardly a PA system exists that doesn't have a fairly
>long bit of unbalanced shielded cable at some high impedance high
>gain input.
>-Chuck Harris
>Alexander Pummer wrote:
>> No, the current passing the outside f the shield  will not induce any
>voltage inside
>> of the coax, but the voltage drop caused by the current on the ohmic
>resistance [!!!]
>> of the shield will show upbetween the two ends of the cable -- and
>that will  show up
>> as  it was added to to the voltage which is carried on the center
>conductor of the coax.
>> 73
>> Alex
>> On 7/20/2014 6:10 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what you are saying.
>>> skin depth = (2.6/sqrt(fhz))inches for copper.
>>> So, at 60Hz,   skin depth = 0.336 inches.
>>> and at 100KHz, skin depth = 0.008 inches.
>>> and at 1MHz,   skin depth = 0.0026 inches.
>>> Are you saying that at 60Hz, because the
>>> skin depth is deeper than the coax shield is
>>> thick, that current passing through the outside
>>> of the shield will induce voltage inside of
>>> the shield, and that at say, 100KHz where the
>>> skin depth is a little less than the shield
>>> thickness, or at 1 MHz, where the skin depth
>>> is only a small fraction of the thickness of
>>> the shield that it won't?
>>> Or something else?
>>> -Chuck Harris
>>> Bob Camp wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> The “coax is an antenna” problem comes in well before you get to
>DC. Even with no
>>>> transformer involved, the skin depth of the coax shield gives up
>well above 60 Hz
>>>> (and likely well above 100 KHz). If you want to do full isolation
>over a very wide
>>>> range you need some combination of shielding and balanced lines.
>>>> Bob
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