[time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r down conversion method

Alex Pummer alex at pcscons.com
Mon Sep 22 20:24:57 EDT 2014

yes Charles you are right, but you could use a trick as you derive the 
LO from the high stabile oscillator which is locked to the 
down-converted carrier the IF, and the loop is locked only if the IF and 
the LO frequencies having the correct value, but that loop change the 
feedback polarity depend on what site is the LO of the desired value, it 
needs an acquisition help and will it be not much less complicated than 
a Costas loop
On 9/22/2014 4:56 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> One of the methods suggested for working with the wwvb psk is down
>> converting to a lower frequency. When experimenting with NAA I had 
>> built a
>> 24 Khz receiver that down converted that signal to a 100 Hz base band.
>> It was a minor effort to shift it to 60 Khz by changing the LO.
>>    *   *   *
>> for 100 Hz the LO must be at 60.1 or 59.9 Khz. Or synthesize it etc.
>>    *   *   *
>> Not sure there is a real need to lock the LO at all.
> I'm not sure I understand how this helps.
> I thought the point of removing the PSK was to reconstitute a version 
> of the original unmodulated carrier, so it can be used to discipline 
> an oscillator at some convenient frequency (the PSK needs to be 
> removed because it upsets the PLL phase detector). That works (in 
> theory) with a TRF receiver, because the received carrier IS the tx 
> carrier that is locked to a standard at the transmitter (modified by 
> the propagation delay and delay variation, and then by 
> doubling/squaring).  But once you convert the received frequency by 
> using a LO (or BFO, whichever you want to call it), the recovered 
> carrier frequency is dependent on BOTH the tx frequency AND the LO/BFO 
> frequency.  You have lost the link to the tx frequency standard.
> Am I misunderstanding the goal of the exercise?
> Best regards,
> Charles
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