[time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

[Mike Garvey]

US DoD is looking for sources for 50K eLoran receivers.
http://www.insidegnss.com/node/4372
What goes around, comes around (maybe)...
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:17 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

It is very sorry to hear that this is happening.
This was the same lame excuse they used in the US. Save 2 cents then find
out you don't have launch vehicles to get replacement GPS satellites in
orbit. Nor the funds to build the satellites.
I am actually happy I did not build the large loop for European reception.
As it would have just started working and then stopped.
eLORAN  for at least frequency and timing needs 1 station. So if thats the
application then with whats left there can be a very good distribution of
these two components as we see here in the US with 1 station doing eLORAN
testing and thats not even a full power station.
Oddly the US may be coming around to eLORAN. It seems promissing.
Rightly stated for navigation you need more stations. I think in teh past it
was 24. But appears that 4 will cover the US and thats a lot of area.
All of the Westcoast stations are intact. The East coast has been gutted and
many antennas are down. But enough exist for eLORAN.
Long strange trip we are on. My fingers are crossed for eLORAN.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk at phk.freebsd.dk>
wrote:

> --------
> In message <5673C1BD.6070206 at rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson
> writes:
>
> >It seems like the biggest problem for Loran-C is that they have not 
> >been able to build an economical model to support it. That it 
> >complements the GPS and GLONASS systems, as well as GALILEO in a 
> >somewhat different mode disturbance is a technical detail which doesn't
ripple though the reports.
>
> No, it's really very simple, in Europe it is all about saving face.
>
> The political bluff which should have moved GPS control to NATO rather 
> than DoD failed, and forced the EU to follow through.
>
> Finding the claimed eager private investors failed predictably and in 
> the end EU had to fund Galileo with tax money, precisely like pretty 
> much every had predicted.
>
> Then the draft European Radio Navigation Plan said that at few 
> millions on LORAN produced 40% of the benefit while all the billions 
> for Galileo hardly produced any[1].
>
> In other words:  Some almost-pensioners with 50 year old cold-war tech 
> were about 100 times more cost-efficient than the biggest political 
> prestige project of EU's history.
>
> No wonder all copies of that draft has vanished from the surface of 
> the planet.
>
> Poul-Henning
>
> [1] The two lost/marooned Galileo sats have cost about the same as 
> updating and running Loran-C for 10-15 years would have.
>
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