[time-nuts] Safely getting the electrical length of a connected antenna feedline

Tim Shoppa tshoppa at gmail.com
Wed Aug 10 15:31:42 EDT 2016

You left out the obvious time-nut solution: Calibrate and characterize an
ensemble of HP5071A's to correct absolute time at NIST. Transport the
ensemble (correcting, if necessary, for general relativisitic effects) to
your house. Set the cable delay in your GPS receiver to zero. The delta
between your receiver PPS and the HP5071A Ensemble is the time delay in
your cable and GPS Antenna - AFTER you account for the time delta between
USNO and NIST time (available at
http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp50/nistusno.cfm )

Tim N3QE

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Bob Stewart <bob at evoria.net> wrote:

> Earlier this year, with some help, I pulled the dish off of an old DishTV
> antenna on the roof and put a 5V bullet antenna on the mast.  I also pulled
> a new cable through by attaching it to the old one.  The problem is that I
> was not able to measure the new cable.  So, the question is, without going
> back on the roof in this heat, how can I measure the electrical length of
> the line I pulled?
> I was thinking of using my 8640B signal generator and sending some RF back
> up the line to get a quarter wavelength at the null.  But that assumes a
> lot, including that the other end is open at 3MHz, or whatever the
> frequency works out to be, as well as that the high voltage on the antenna
> end won't be high enough to blow the LNA.
> So, how much RF I can safely send up the line?  I've got an 8558B spectrum
> analyzer, but it's not on the bench, and it would be easier to use my
> scope, which sadly is a 70s vintage Tek 455.  Do I put this all together
> with a lead from the generator to a tee at the measuring device and tune
> for a null?  My experience at getting precise measurements on anything
> longer than a few inches is effectively none, but I'd guess that I want
> less than 0.5V at the LNA during this test.  Oh, and I do have an 8444A
> tracking generator that can output -10 dbm as well as a 10 db attenuator
> within easy access.  That could get a quick spot on the null point.
> Most importantly, of course is the question of whether this will even
> work.
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