[time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?
kb8tq at n1k.org
Wed Dec 21 07:37:35 EST 2016
> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:20 AM, Mike Cook <michael.cook at sfr.fr> wrote:
>> Le 21 déc. 2016 à 00:08, Kiwi Geoff <geoff36 at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> Hello All - and Seasons Greetings,
>> One of the advantages of the recent hobby drone phenomena - it has
>> brought to the market a lot of low cost GNSS modules that are
>> lightweight for drone flight control systems. Those of us with other
>> hobbies, like "Time Nuts" and RTK - these low cost modules can be a
>> little goldmine for cost effective toys.
>> However the dark side is that some vendors are re-badging lower cost
>> modules, printing their own labels and marking as "Ublox M8N" for
> It wouldn't surprise me, but you have a reference for this?
>> Can anyone comment on the following data, and whether they think the
>> oscillator in "my" M8N is a XO or a TCXO ?
> I don’t thing that you can get find out from that data. Ublox indicate in the product info sheets that the TCXO option is used to get to a first fix quicker in weak signal conditions. It is not specified and I think that it is logical, that there is an improved timing solution. I would expect that both XO and TCXO versions are the same frequency and the better long term stability of a TCXO not be an influence on the single shot quantization error of the 1PPS.
The TCXO and XO both have similar short term stability at short tau. The only
advantage to the TCXO is faster time to first fix. If anything the XO will “spread”
the quantization error (sawtooth error) better than the TCXO. The TCXO has
more inflections in it’s frequency vs temperature curve. Thus there are more
opportunities for hanging bridges.
In both the TCXO and XO case, the PPS out of the module is based on the
clock edge closest to the PPS estimate. If the clock involved has a period of
20 ns, the error will distribute over ~ +/- 10 ns. The process is identical regardless
of the oscillator. The distribution will be the same with both oscillators. As long as the
phase noise and short tau ADEV are in spec, the PPS estimate will be the same
in both cases.
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