[time-nuts] HP-105B Battery Replacement?

paul swed paulswedb at gmail.com
Thu Sep 15 13:16:31 EDT 2016


Brookes comments are the facts you can not use simple charging circuits.
But smart charging circuits seem to be available on various sites for low
cost. It seems the RC modelers have helped us out.
The thing I will say is I have ordered new nicad C cell batteries from
major a major vendor and they did not last long at all for the cost I was
quite disappointed.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Brooke Clarke <brooke at pacific.net> wrote:

> Hi Jeremy:
>
> I'm currently having fun playing with various rechargeable battery related
> stuff  which includes Li-Ion cells.
> http://www.prc68.com/I/BatTst.shtml#Resistor
> The cells come in three configurations:
> 1. the raw flat top cell with optional tabs to allow easy soldering into a
> pack,
> 2. cell plus positive button cap which includes a Positive Temperature
> Coefficient (PTC) fuse and an over pressure vent,
> 3. fully protected, like 2, plus circuit that turns off the battery if
> charging and over voltage or loaded and under voltage.  On these you can
> feel a wire/ribbon running from positive to negative under the shrink wrap
> and they are slightly longer.
> These configurations are independent of the flavor of Li chemistry.
>
> To go with any of the above you need a charger specific to the particular
> Li chemistry (the charging voltage is not the same) and if a pack you also
> need a either cells like 3 above or a protection circuit for the pack.  For
> optimum performance in addition a tap between each virtual cell (made of of
> parallel cells) so that the charge can be balanced and a charger that can
> do that.  This is not easy, witness the current recall of the Galaxy Note
> 7s phones.
>
> I would just use modern Ni-Cad cells mainly because of the ease of
> charging and maintaining them and use the existing charging circuitry.
> Li chemistry has advantages for portable equipment, but not so much for
> rack mounted equipment.
>
> --
> Have Fun,
>
> Brooke Clarke
> http://www.PRC68.com
> http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
> The lesser of evils is still evil.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>> Thanks, Brooke, I'll price new Ni-Cads. I wasn't thinking of lead-acid
>> (gel
>> cells) but rather lithium rechargeable, providing I can find a type that
>> won't catch fire and will work with the 105B'scircuits.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, Brooke Clarke <brooke at pacific.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex:
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm recommending Ni-Cad but NOT any acid type.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Have Fun,
>>>
>>> Brooke Clarke
>>> http://www.PRC68.com
>>> http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
>>> The lesser of evils is still evil.
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>> Hi Brooke,
>>>>
>>>> sorry I have to disappoint you; Ni-Cd batteries do not use any acid,
>>>> they
>>>> have K-OH  kalium hidrioxid  [potassium hydroxide  for anglophone ] as
>>>> electrolyte and they are normally very air-tide, and widely used in
>>>> radios.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> KJ6UHN
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 9/14/2016 4:45 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeremy:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a very bad idea to put any battery with acid in an enclosure that
>>>>> has electronics since if it vents the acid will etch the PCBs.
>>>>> Guess how I learned this.  I got a great price on a Gibbs Frequency
>>>>> Standard because the oven no longer worked.
>>>>> http://prc68.com/I/office_equip.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Modern Ni-Cad batteries have much more capacity than older ones and no
>>>>> longer have a memory effect.  They are also very easy to charge, so
>>>>> why not
>>>>> just replace the old cells?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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