[time-nuts] ``direct'' RS-232 vs. RS-232 via USB vs. PPS decoding cards

MLewis mlewis000 at rogers.com
Wed Feb 15 22:09:06 EST 2017


On 15/02/2017 1:17 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
> Why set up a dedicated NTP server if you only have two computers that 
> will use it? ... You could save some money and just run NTP on the two 
> computers. ... NTP is almost zero load on the CPU and the best thing 
> is the NTP accuracy is not effected by CPU load...
My application cycles between a low background load to a full CPU load 
on hex cores four times a second on the quarter-second. Each 
quarter-second load, for each of 22 datasets, first takes a data 
snapshot, then does some processing, which for any or all of the 
datasets may trigger more processing, and when all dataset processing 
treads are complete, this is followed by some house-keeping tasks. 
Therefore the duration of those full loads varies, and one of the four 
quarter-second loads has more to do and is significantly longer than the 
other three. To get the quarter-second loads done as fast as possible, 
the bios is set to run the CPU in turbo continuously, otherwise power 
saving 'features' start dialing back core speed and shutting down cores, 
resulting in the longer quarter-second task not getting done within 250 
ms in time for the next quarter-second's start.

The rate of accumulating lag on system time varies from 2 ms a minute to 
16 ms a minute, depending on the load. The result is that the 
quarter-second data snapshots don't start on the actual quarter-second, 
off more and more as lag accumulates, until they're off their target 
time by more than a second, then seconds, etc..

With NTP polling six pool sources while my application is cycling 
between load levels four times a second, the observed quarter-second 
start drifts within roughly 300 ms, sometimes 600 ms.

That wasn't exactly a surprise. The base application I'm working from 
used Apache's NTPUDPClient to maintain an offset from system time from a 
single NTP source.  After expanding the design to use multiple NTP 
sources, I found that the reported offsets from pools were stable when 
my CPU load was stable, but when it was cycling in/out of the heavy 
loads, the reported offsets became more variable between sources and the 
number and offset of reported offsets that were outliers became 
ridiculous. As much fun as it was to design custom cascading outlier 
filters, this led me to abandon the underlying base application's offset 
to system time and use NTP to maintain system time.

To be able to move forward with my original application:
By going to a separate box running NTP and a GPS reference, I will have 
a reference time that is entirely independent from whatever is going on 
with my working box. With microsecond accuracy and precision, it will be 
more than sufficient for my needs. With a dedicated ethernet connection 
between the working box and the NTP box, NTP on the working box should 
be able to have system time within 1 ms of that reference. If it's 
observed that isn't happening, then I'll remove NTP from the working box 
and I already have code than can monitor the system time against the NTP 
box and reset it every time it lags more than 1 ms. Brute and crude, but 
it will work for keeping my application within 1ms.

Or, so I think...
I've been surprised and changed direction enough times since I headed 
down this time rabbit-hole.

Michael



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