[time-nuts] A look inside the DS3231
pete at heypete.com
Thu Jul 27 21:21:26 EDT 2017
That's very true!
Still, my past experience with copied chips typically involves a
particular type of RS-232-to-TTL serial converter, the MAX3232. I've
found that nearly all of the ones from unauthorized distributors (e.g.
auction site vendors) are fake, even though the package is marked as
being MAX3232. After a few weeks the chips would fail in a way that
they'd pass high currents and get extremely hot.
I did a write-up on those chips at
and, after decapuslating them, discovered they were completely different
chips on the inside that were made to function the same way as the
MAX3232 (i.e., they converted RS-232 signals to TTL serial, operated on
the same voltages, had the same pinout, etc.).
In regards to the DS3231, I was concerned that the chip was also a fake
that functioned in the same way as the DS3231, presented the same
registers to the user, etc., but was actually a different design on the
inside. It appears that this is not the case, and in addition to
functioning as advertised, it also is legitimate. If it is a clone, it's
a goood one, but I don't think it is.
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 10:34 PM, Graham / KE9H wrote:
> If you are concerned about someone copying a chip, you can not rely on
> original manufacturers' markings on the die.
> I have experience where the counterfeiter just photocopied the chip
> including the original manufacturers marks, and copyright symbol and
> from the original die.
> So, when they copied the die, they really just copied it. Didn't change a
> thing. It was not like they redesigned it, or were selling their own
> with equivalent functionality.
> --- Graham / KE9H
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Pete Stephenson <pete at heypete.com>
> > Hi all,
> > A few days ago I reported the results from letting a DS3231 RTC run for
> > a year, and how the chip kept time well within the published specs.
> > Since I had acquired several DS3231s from dubious sources (Asian vendors
> > on a major auction site) as part of an RTC module that fits on the
> > Raspberry Pi's header pins, I was doubtful of the authenticity of the
> > chips. I decided to sacrifice one in the name of science and decapped it
> > at home using alternating heat (a lighter) and cold (a glass of cold
> > water) to embrittle the epoxy casing, then sanded down the back of the
> > chip on fine-grain sandpaper to expose what I hoped was the back of the
> > internals (so as not to damage the die itself).
> > Other than inadvertently sanding through half of the crystal's housing,
> > thus breaking one of the forks of the crystal, this was a success. (I
> > was prepared to decap one in acid had my attempt at physically removing
> > the epoxy package failed.) I slightly scratched the die itself while
> > separating it from the epoxy, but the die itself is clearly visible.
> > Based on a sample size of one and the markings on the die itself, it
> > appears the chip is authentic. The markings on the outside of the epoxy
> > package look a bit dubious and not like typical Maxim laser-markings, so
> > it's possible the chip was re-labeled at some point. I'll contact Maxim
> > to see if they can look up the lot information.
> > I used my 2 megapixel USB microscope to take some images throughout the
> > process that you might find interesting. The microscope has limited
> > resolution, particularly at high magnification, so some of the photos
> > may not be perfectly clear. I have access to a Zeiss petrographic
> > microscope at my work and will see if I can get some better images
> > tomorrow. I'll try to get high-quality images of the whole chip and
> > stitch them together into a larger composite.
> > Anyway, the photos are available at http://imgur.com/a/0zudj -- I will
> > add more photos from the petrographic microscope tomorrow. I focused
> > mainly on the markings on the die that indicated it was, in fact, a
> > Maxim chip but if there's any other region of the chip that you'd like
> > images of, please let me know and I'd be happy to take some more
> > pictures.
> > I hope you find this as interesting as I did.
> > Cheers!
> > -Pete
> > --
> > Pete Stephenson
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