[volt-nuts] Neon bulbs for HP 3420B or 419A chopper circuit
Charles Steinmetz
csteinmetz at yandex.com
Fri Nov 17 03:11:44 EST 2017
Pete wrote:
> I've seen 95V but nothing as high as 125V.
> The high brightness ones are usually 95V
Neon gas at the typical pressures used in small lamps ignites somewhere
near 200vDC. For this reason, commercial neon bulbs use a mixture of
Neon and Argon, which lowers the strike voltage to the 70-100v region
(again, depending on pressure). By this means, the original NE-2 was
designed to strike at around 70v (DC or peak AC), while the NE-2H was
designed to strike at around 120v (DC or peak AC).
BUT: You never know what the heck you might get from many sources
today. If you need a controlled strike voltage, the best bet is to buy
NEW bulbs from a reputable manufacturer who provides specs. Most such
bulbs have designations other than "NE-", although some are also
identified with an original type on the datasheet.
Note also that common neon lamps (e.g., NE-2) depend on some ambient
light to promote ionization due to the "dark effect." This is
particularly true for striking (many neons will not strike at all in
total darkness), but affects continuing operation as well. For this
reason, some variants had radioactive material added inside the envelope
to promote ionization. These were often identified as "dark effect
reduced" bulbs. The NE-2U, NE-2J, and NE-2H5 were among these.
Originally, Thorium was used for this purpose, but before long Krypton
85 became the standard additive. Being a gas, it was much easier to
incorporate. NOTE that the half-life of 85Kr is less than 11 years.
This explains most failures of neons in chopper and LDR applications today.
Radioactive enhancement is very important for chopper operation, since
the chopper assembly necessarily keeps the lamps in total darkness. It
also means that you probably do not want to buy/use surplus neon bulbs
to repair choppers and LDRs (for two reasons -- you never know if they
really had radioactive enhancement to begin with, and if they are old
enough that you can be sure, they were made at least two half-lives ago
and probably more like four, so they are all pooped out before you even
install them).
I managed to source some brand-new NE-2U equivalents in small quantities
a few years ago, but I can't remember where I got them. (No problem if
you want 10k of them -- several manufacturers will be happy to oblige.)
Whatever you get, test them with a beta-sensitive detector to make sure
they are reasonably active. The indication should be unmistakably
strong -- if it's a case of, "Well, I think there may be some
indication," they will not do.
Best regards,
Charles
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