[time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party

Will Matney xformer at citynet.net
Mon Jun 27 17:21:57 UTC 2011

That made me laugh, as unsightly and farm seems to go well together (no
matter how you keep it cleaned up)! Wonder what he would have done, if
after he pulled the grounds, that he found a prized horse dead from

One thing about here in the US, well at least now, and after having the
NEC, is that an installation can't get past inspection without a ground rod
at the meter, and most times one at the pole too. Plus, if you have copper
or steel water pipe in the house, it's connected to gorund, and any natural
gas system piping is connected to a ground rod at its meter, or it should

One would think that the earths resistance, especially in a dry climate,
would be too high to work correctly, at all, without having a neutral and
ground running with the hot. I would think you would get a lot of
brown-outs over this?  I learn something new every day.



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On 6/27/2011 at 12:02 PM Lee Mushel wrote:

>Well, I guess my response to your invitation to comment won't be any worse

>than "pip" time.   I live in a rural area where this so-called "stray 
>voltage" was a problem for years.   I guess no "real electrician" ever
>anything because everyone was certain that a solution to such an obvious 
>problem would be known to everyone "tomorrow."   But it never happened! 
>And this so-called "mystery" went on for years!   And one day I got a
>call from my neighbor, "horse Bob" saying that his horses couldn't drink 
>from the water tank.   He was certain that they were receiving a "shock"
>soon as their noses touched the water.
>I went down to his "paddock" and installed enough grounds to overcome the 
>general lack of such on his property and then went home.   The horses were

>drinking normally.   A couple of hours later he called and said "the
>is back."   A puzzled me went for another visit and discovered that he had

>removed all of my grounding provisions.   When I asked him why he had done

>that I was informed that "those wires and rods are unsightly."
>Lee   K9WRU
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Robert LaJeunesse" <rlajeunesse at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" 
><time-nuts at febo.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:23 AM
>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party
>> Hmmm. The "Single Wire Earth Return" scheme seems like a great cause for

>> the
>> stray voltage that affects farmers:
>> http://articles.ky3.com/2011-03-18/stray-voltage_29143748
>> ________________________________
>> From: Eric Garner <garnere at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
>> <time-nuts at febo.com>
>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 11:54:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz measurement party
>> Did it sound like this:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return
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