[time-nuts] Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI

Fri Feb 17 17:22:46 UTC 2012

Hi

The closest the communications business got to this was back in the days
when Motorola would buy back all the used gear. They then carted it all off
to a crusher. Without something like that - it all will go to the scrap
merchants and be parted out.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:25 AM
To: time-nuts at febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI

 I am not so sure they have a lot of influence on what happens to equipment
once they sell it to an OEM (e.g., Motorola).  The OEM then incorporates it
into other equipment (cell systems) which are sold to cell service
providers, which is then scrapped out and sold to scrap dealers.
Realistically, I can't see one component supplier having the influence to
cause the addition of costs all the way down the line to have to comply with
this kind of demand, especially when the end user (the cell service
providers) are in other countries such as China.  And to impose this demand
retroactively to sales?  Fat chance; the cell service providers would just
tell FEI they are welcome to bid on their scrap like everyone else.

Peter

On 02/17/12, paul swed<paulswedb at gmail.com> wrote:

The used market makes no difference to them. No revenue stream.
In fact I would say you are swatting at the behive. It would be wise to
leave them alone since several have reached out and already had a poor
experience.
As someone else pointed out this is what gets manufactures to demand
crushing or drilling holes etc. Further the very hard work being done by
this group to understand these units can be at risk if FEI decides to
really get cranky.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Steve <iteration69 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If the device is reverse engineered and the work made public domain,
> the device is likely to increase in value on the used market. I've seen
> this before when proprietary products are reversed.
> Suddenly they are transformed from black magic, in to something that a
> community of people may thoroughly discuss, modify, repair, and
> maintain. This makes a hot, usable device, for years to come.
>
> The last big reversing project I worked on dealt in the automotive
> sector, I made my work available in a rar'd collection of abstract html
> pages and documents within a directory that was easy to save and pass
> on. I also encouraged everyone who looked at the document to download it
> and pass it along. The system operators of the servers where the files
> were originally located were told to remove the documents due to vague
> claims of IP violations. The internet archive also removed my work as it
> was cited for the same IP violoations. So in addition to increasing the
> value of the device, reverse engineering also brings the very reversing
> documentation under fire.
>
> usenet is a good place to distribute such a document, and it's also a
> good idea to use several names so that any counter efforts are forced
> to find all the derivatives.
>
> Steve
>
>
> > Or worse, they will start requiring their scrappers to use a drill
> > press or punch to render the physics package unusable. I've seen this
> > done locally by hard drive manufacturers- hundreds of pounds of
> > working HDs destroyed on purpose on a regular basis. If they only
> > scrap "killed" units, no one will want to reverse engineer them.
> >
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike McCauley" <mikem at open.com.au>
> > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
> > <time-nuts at febo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:02:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI
> >
> > Hmmm,
> >
> > Seems they dont realise that their lack of cooperation will lead, not
> > to protecting their product, but rather to the massive, public
> > reverse engineering of it?
> >
> >
> > On Friday, February 17, 2012 05:43:49 PM Gerald Molenkamp wrote:
> > > I have written to them on several occasions about 56
> > >
> > > Sent via Gerald's iPad
> > >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > > From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
> > > > Date: 16 February 2012 10:58:10 AEDT
> > > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> > > > <time-nuts at febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Contact
> > > > FEI Reply-To: nerd at verizon.net, Discussion of precise time and
> > > > frequency measurement <time-nuts at febo.com>
> > > >
> > > > I haven't personally tried but others have reported they were
> > > > somewhat less than cooperative.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > On 2/15/2012 6:23 PM, Bill Riches wrote:
> > > >> Just curious,
> > > >>
> > > >> Has anyone on this list actually contacted FEI and enquired
> > > >> about a schematic or other info about our 5680 units? They are
> > > >> still being sold by them.
> > > >>
> > > >> 73,
> > > >>
> > > >> Bill Riches, WA2DVU
> > > >> Cape May, NJ
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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