[time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

Michael Wouters michaeljwouters at gmail.com
Mon May 29 03:49:39 EDT 2017

The effect you're looking for depends on a comparison of two different
kinds of atomic clocks eg Cs vs H-maser so the maser comparison presumably
will be a null measurement.

But I see the path of totality passes a bit north of NIST Boulder and I'm
pretty sure they will notice if there is an effect ! ( I'm highly sceptical
there is one. Searches for exotic physics over the last three decades have
consistently turned up nothing. I did it myself at the beginning of my
career with the "fifth force", a composition-dependent, short range
gravity-like force. The positive results all turned out to have very subtle
classical physics explanations)


On Mon, 29 May 2017 at 9:35 am, Jim Palfreyman <jim77742 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally I go with the Nature article. The other papers look like they
> are anomaly hunting because they have a known event.
> Having said that, we have two H masers at our observatory in Hobart and we
> have a system set up to measure their phase difference down to about 0.03
> ns. I will report back any anomaly.
> Did We, of course, are not in the path of the eclipse, however
> gravitationally
> there is still an alignment. Just through the Earth.
> Jim Palfreyman
> On 29 May 2017 at 08:17, iovane--- via time-nuts <time-nuts at febo.com>
> wrote:
> > On august 21 2017 a solar eclipse will sweep USA from coast to coast. A
> > lifetime opportunity to do coordinated experiments to check this or that.
> > One of the questions that doesn't have a final answer yet is whether or
> not
> > solar eclipses could affect the flow of time. They exist conflicting
> > reports: Negative: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v402/n6763/full/
> > 402749a0.html Positive: http://home.t01.itscom.net/
> > allais/blackprior/zhou/zhou-1.pdf          http://home.t01.itscom.net/
> > allais/blackprior/zhou/zhou-2.pdfPersonally I believe that the positive
> > results were due to spurious responses of the atomic clocks to something
> > else than gravity, or the clocks failed for some reason (e.g. jumping
> > crystals then steered), or lower quality clocks had been sold to China.
> > Anyway the recorded data do show an anomaly.As far as I know, no atomic
> > clock tests are planned anywhere for that circumstance, but sincerely I
> > don't believe this is the truth.Maybe the US time-nuts community, using
> its
> > plenty
> >  of atomic clocks, could give the final answer doing tests during the
> > above mentioned eclipse.US time-nuts, what about the idea of doing
> > yourselves a large scale coordinated test? Or do you actually believe
> that
> > this question is already definitively closed?(Even discovering that
> atomic
> > clocks might respond to someting else than gravity would be of great
> > interest).Antonio I8IOV
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