[time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

iovane at inwind.it iovane at inwind.it
Mon May 29 10:34:50 EDT 2017

As far as atomic clocks are involved, I wish to better point out where I stand, 
along with some tips and info.

- no exotic physics;   
- gravity is totally extraneous;  
- time is not involved;  
- the recorded anomalies are instrumental artifacts. The instruments responded 
to something however related to the eclipse, but not to nothing.   
- there are already known effects of solar eclipses on ionosphere, 
temperature, pressure, winds etc., but my interest doesn't go there;   
- the effects of solar eclipses on the magnetosphere are much less known, They 
might be rather local around the eclipse path. Note that the vacuum of solar 
wind is not coaxial to the optical shadow as solar wind has its own path 
following the Parker spiral (google it) whose shape is further affected by 
several variables;  
- I would recall that sudden geomagnetic variations (such as following a 
*switched off* solar wind)  might induce currents in conductors (even mu-
- along with sudden geomagnetic disturbances, also the disturbance of the 
stream of particles might be involved;  
- is is mandatory to look at EFC, as the failing component might just be the 
Maybe more to come.  

The above highlights that this not a time-nuts stuff, but time-nuts happen to 
own an intrument that seems to have responded sometimes in some way to the 
occurrence of a solar eclipse.   
I would stress once again that this is a unique opportunity of study.   

Antonio I8IOV

>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: "Magnus Danielson" <magnus at rubidium.dyndns.org>
>Data: 29/05/2017 10.43
>A: <time-nuts at febo.com>
>Cc: <magnus at rubidium.se>
>Ogg: Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow
>On 05/29/2017 09:56 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
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>> In message <CAGP4rdnJXgFWgQuBokFdUgeC90-DP2A2cNSdwypx8vS_bTBFhg at mail.gmail.
>> , Michael Wouters writes:
>>> The effect you're looking for depends on a comparison of two different
>>> kinds of atomic clocks eg Cs vs H-maser so the maser comparison presumably
>>> will be a null measurement.
>> It would have to be between clocks where the clock-atoms have very
>> different masses (for instance Cs vs. H) but it would *also* have to
>> be clocks where the clock-photons have very different energy.
>> So the best setup would be H-maser Cs or Rb foundtain and an trapped
>> ion optical clock.
>> Since any physicists at NIST will be keenly aware of the Nobel
>> Prize dangling in front of any competently measured effect, I think
>> we can trust them to be on the ball :-)
>Somewhat south of NIST Boulder is the USNO backup clock at Shriever 
>Airforce base, just next to the GPS Master Clock. USNO has rubidium 
>fountains and hydrogen masers there, and some cesiums. If there would be 
>any significant effect, I'm sure USNO would also look at it, and also 
>compare to its Washington DC set of clocks.
>Honestly, I'm sceptical that there is very much going on there. We have 
>three orbital masses that will almost align, but they almost align on a 
>regular basis, it's just that the shadow of the moon just don't hit the 
>earth very often. The graviational pull of moon, sun and earth keeps 
>adding continuously so we should already be able to measure these 
>individual effects separately and not only when it happens to occur at 
>the same time.
>What we can expect is the effect of the shadow, which can potentially 
>affect the ionspheric TEC delay and for that matter temperature of 
>troposphere and thus delay there, and that way cause our measurements to 
>get skewed. This has however nothing to do with the clocks itself.
>Humans is a bit too occupied by alignment in the sky. While a nice show, 
>I'm not to impressed about its scientific significance in this case. 
>There is things to learn from most perturbations sure, but as always, 
>some reasoning to sort out what we could expect is always good.
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